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		<title>Comment on The New Marxist Movement: Zeitgeist Movement by Rob Heusdens</title>
		<link>http://pccapitalist.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/the-new-marxist-movement-zeitgeist-movement/#comment-863</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Heusdens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although this ZeitGeist movement certainly did have a bit of influence from the ideas of communism, it goes about it in a rather direct (and maybe unachievable) way by creating communities based on these ideas in one step. 

Instead of how communists usualy go about this, and want to progress from first gaining the political power of the state, turn it&#039;s capitalist mode of production into a socialist mode of production, under the dictatorship of the proletariat, and then (what should have been done) gradually turn the state into a socialist democracy and later on fade out the state when a classless society is being reached.

The socialist states (which were never communist by the way) however have almost all disapeared.
ZeitGeist is unlike any of the existing systems (capitalism, fascisme, socialism, communism) since the ZeitGeist movement wants to take a big leap into a society without trade, and therefore without a money system. At least that is what is being proclaimed. 

Instead the society is resource based. I would guess that instead of the current faulty money system (in which money exists as debt, and can be created out of thin air), the ZeitGeist movement in fact re-establises a more durable money system which is based on the available resources. This would seem like a good step, since it is obviously a mistake to have a money system in which more money can be created then can ever be sustainably be delivered at the basis of using scarce resources.

To me this then means that the role of money in such a society will be transformed and will be directly connected to crude materials, but is not done away with. Further the decission making political process is done away with and replaced with logistic computers taking that role. Supposedly also the role of labour would be replaced completely by machineries and robots. That aspect is very futuristic and utopian. Although certain parts of the labour process have indeed been replaced already by robots and machines, to have a whole society, even a small one, operated at the basis of automated machines and robots is quite unimaginable. Machines and robots currently still need designers, maintainers and repair, and only part of the labour process is automated. Even when we could grant the theoretical possibility of having a complete automated form of production, all this would be quite costly and unaffordable, even if only a small community were being serviced. 

To do this on a planetary scale for all of humanity is simply a step or two too unimaginable. The poorest 10% of the world population would already be satisfied having clean drinking water, housing, food, education and healthcare.

For a more realistic viewpoint in how to deal with upcoming resources scarcity, we could better look a the &quot;experiment&quot; Cuba has undergone. Due to circumstances in the nineties almost all trade relations with the former easteuropean states were lost, and they had to take drastic steps in reducing the use of almost anything, from oil to pesticides and stuff.

Still, thanks to the power of their community, they managed to survive. Automobiles were replaced by bicycles and buses, tracktors with oxes, pesticides with biological alternatives, and instead of large agricultural farms, many smaller and more labour intensive farms emerged, including urban farming.
They grow more vegetables and have a more healthy diet, so it seems things are not that bad.

This small documentary shows some more deatils about this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1721584909067928384#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although this ZeitGeist movement certainly did have a bit of influence from the ideas of communism, it goes about it in a rather direct (and maybe unachievable) way by creating communities based on these ideas in one step. </p>
<p>Instead of how communists usualy go about this, and want to progress from first gaining the political power of the state, turn it&#8217;s capitalist mode of production into a socialist mode of production, under the dictatorship of the proletariat, and then (what should have been done) gradually turn the state into a socialist democracy and later on fade out the state when a classless society is being reached.</p>
<p>The socialist states (which were never communist by the way) however have almost all disapeared.<br />
ZeitGeist is unlike any of the existing systems (capitalism, fascisme, socialism, communism) since the ZeitGeist movement wants to take a big leap into a society without trade, and therefore without a money system. At least that is what is being proclaimed. </p>
<p>Instead the society is resource based. I would guess that instead of the current faulty money system (in which money exists as debt, and can be created out of thin air), the ZeitGeist movement in fact re-establises a more durable money system which is based on the available resources. This would seem like a good step, since it is obviously a mistake to have a money system in which more money can be created then can ever be sustainably be delivered at the basis of using scarce resources.</p>
<p>To me this then means that the role of money in such a society will be transformed and will be directly connected to crude materials, but is not done away with. Further the decission making political process is done away with and replaced with logistic computers taking that role. Supposedly also the role of labour would be replaced completely by machineries and robots. That aspect is very futuristic and utopian. Although certain parts of the labour process have indeed been replaced already by robots and machines, to have a whole society, even a small one, operated at the basis of automated machines and robots is quite unimaginable. Machines and robots currently still need designers, maintainers and repair, and only part of the labour process is automated. Even when we could grant the theoretical possibility of having a complete automated form of production, all this would be quite costly and unaffordable, even if only a small community were being serviced. </p>
<p>To do this on a planetary scale for all of humanity is simply a step or two too unimaginable. The poorest 10% of the world population would already be satisfied having clean drinking water, housing, food, education and healthcare.</p>
<p>For a more realistic viewpoint in how to deal with upcoming resources scarcity, we could better look a the &#8220;experiment&#8221; Cuba has undergone. Due to circumstances in the nineties almost all trade relations with the former easteuropean states were lost, and they had to take drastic steps in reducing the use of almost anything, from oil to pesticides and stuff.</p>
<p>Still, thanks to the power of their community, they managed to survive. Automobiles were replaced by bicycles and buses, tracktors with oxes, pesticides with biological alternatives, and instead of large agricultural farms, many smaller and more labour intensive farms emerged, including urban farming.<br />
They grow more vegetables and have a more healthy diet, so it seems things are not that bad.</p>
<p>This small documentary shows some more deatils about this:<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1721584909067928384#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1721584909067928384#</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Jefferson vs. Obama by Edward Cline by James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://pccapitalist.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/book-review-an-inconvenient-book-by-glenn-beck/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/SKYjBl1jCvA/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Give Bernanke Credit—For Chutzpah by Robert Higgs by euandus2</title>
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		<dc:creator>euandus2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As argued in http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-federal-reserve-we-screwed-up-but-should-be-given-more-authority/ , Bernanke admits that the Fed screwed up in the housing bubble and should be given even more authority to protect us from systemic risk.  You try connecting the dots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As argued in <a href="http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-federal-reserve-we-screwed-up-but-should-be-given-more-authority/" rel="nofollow">http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/the-federal-reserve-we-screwed-up-but-should-be-given-more-authority/</a> , Bernanke admits that the Fed screwed up in the housing bubble and should be given even more authority to protect us from systemic risk.  You try connecting the dots.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: An Inconvenient Book by Glenn Beck by fallandmiss</title>
		<link>http://pccapitalist.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/book-review-an-inconvenient-book-by-glenn-beck/#comment-860</link>
		<dc:creator>fallandmiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was looking for an informative review of the book, and for some reason Google sent me here. Are you out of high school yet? Or maybe not a native speaker?  Proofreading is a blogger&#039;s best friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking for an informative review of the book, and for some reason Google sent me here. Are you out of high school yet? Or maybe not a native speaker?  Proofreading is a blogger&#8217;s best friend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New Marxist Movement: Zeitgeist Movement by Guilherme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guilherme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Educate yourself!
Everyone needs it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educate yourself!<br />
Everyone needs it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is this the top ten most influential economists of all time? by Steven Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just discovered your blog.  I would also not include Greenspan in the top 10, but neither would I add Samuelson.  Who I would like to see on the list is Fredrich Bastiat (or the more modern Henry Hazlitt) but both fall into the I wish that more people rad and understood these guys list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just discovered your blog.  I would also not include Greenspan in the top 10, but neither would I add Samuelson.  Who I would like to see on the list is Fredrich Bastiat (or the more modern Henry Hazlitt) but both fall into the I wish that more people rad and understood these guys list.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin by edhird</title>
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		<dc:creator>edhird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin Franklin had a remarkable impact in so many ways, even when he was sometimes dry. A Benjamin Franklin article just received the ‘Top 100 Electricity Blogs’ Award http://bit.ly/z8Ckp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin Franklin had a remarkable impact in so many ways, even when he was sometimes dry. A Benjamin Franklin article just received the ‘Top 100 Electricity Blogs’ Award <a href="http://bit.ly/z8Ckp" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/z8Ckp</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The New Marxist Movement: Zeitgeist Movement by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent deconstruction of the core beliefs of the Zeitgeist movement.  I can see how it does sound wonderful, to those who have never read a history book.  I liked the first Zeitgeist. Now that I think about it, more for the fact that it used clips from Terrorstorm, Loose Change, America: Freedom To Fascism, etc.  But if you take away that.. what are you left with?  An end to all nations and all sovereignty, a nullification of all human rights, and a society based around the &quot;carrying capacity of the earth&quot;.  Essentially a carbon copy of the new world order agenda.  Sad how so many people are going along with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent deconstruction of the core beliefs of the Zeitgeist movement.  I can see how it does sound wonderful, to those who have never read a history book.  I liked the first Zeitgeist. Now that I think about it, more for the fact that it used clips from Terrorstorm, Loose Change, America: Freedom To Fascism, etc.  But if you take away that.. what are you left with?  An end to all nations and all sovereignty, a nullification of all human rights, and a society based around the &#8220;carrying capacity of the earth&#8221;.  Essentially a carbon copy of the new world order agenda.  Sad how so many people are going along with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: An Inconvenient Book by Glenn Beck by Gabriel Jonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any comments ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any comments ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Millionaires leave Maryland: Does Federalism still work? by euandus</title>
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		<dc:creator>euandus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the latest compromise regarding state banking regulation in the midst of pressure for financial reform in Washington points to the influence of large corporations on the Congress as a culprit in the on-going eclipse of federalism.  Pls see my blog if interested.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the latest compromise regarding state banking regulation in the midst of pressure for financial reform in Washington points to the influence of large corporations on the Congress as a culprit in the on-going eclipse of federalism.  Pls see my blog if interested.  Thanks.</p>
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